Owen seems to be going pretty hard against Veganism, so, I thought I'd weigh in because I am one for about 2 years now...
Owen is both right and wrong about veganism.
He is right and correct about the morality argument: a mouse is not as valuable as a 600 year old sequoia tree. It requires killing arguably sentient pests to grow fruits and vegetables, so, it makes perfect sense that veganism is NOT cruelty free.
But fuck all that because it's not the point anyway.
The point is this:
I'm one of the most active 38 year olds you could ever meet.
For work, I install solar panels.
After switching to a vegan diet, I not only stopped needing breaks at work, and started hiking and running after work daily in the rocky mountains of Colorado for hours on end.
I also shaved about 2.5 hours off of my need for sleep.
In other words, switching to a vegan diet resulted in an explosion of energy and productivity and I have sustained all that for about 2 years now while gaining about 15-18 waking hours per week.
So, while I'm totally on board with calling out a bunch of irritating pussies for giving this diet / lifestyle a bad name by running their bitch-made mouths about it to spew shitty arguments which give veganism a bad name, the simple truth is this:
My argument is energy. If you want to be cut up like Bruce Lee and add about a day of being awake and productive to your life, try it out.
Because the hardest part about veganism: is shutting the fuck up about how awesome it is and leading by example and for the record: Hell yeah I miss bacon and pizza and ice cream... but I don't miss them enough to go back to requiring 8 hours of sleep instead of 5 and to only having enough energy to sit on my ass after work.
Owen is right to lambast all the lisping retards who make shitty arguments about any subject including this one.
But he is wrong about veganism in general based on my personal experience as a vegan because I work circles around guys in their early twenties and I'm pushing forty and the only difference is that I don't eat food that comes from dead animals because you are what you eat.
And by all means: Argue with me. I'm all ears.
Better yet: Hit me up to go hiking and I'll show you myself that you can't keep up with me at all if you're an omnivore... or rather... if you did... you'd be the first.
I added about 1 day's worth of waking hours per week upon switching to a vegan diet. I worded that wrong above and couldn't edit it. Whatever. You get the idea. Also fuck soy milk. Almond milk is way better. Almond creamer is bomb in coffee... some of it sucks so you gotta get the good stuff. Same with the cheese. Field Roast chorizo is heaven. Field Roast sausages in general hit the spot, esp if you chop and fry it all up in coconut oil. I crush blueberry/oatmeal/banana smoothies and throw in peanut butter and spinach and all sorts of shit. Every morning. Then I hike multiple 45 lb solar panels up a ladder at work for 6-8 hours, fully exposed to the sun and wind on rooftops. Sometimes we run conduit through attics that get up to like 130 degrees on the hot days... It's an extremely physical job. Then I drive home listening to Owen and laughing my ass off like we all do... then I eat like 1 banana and hike 3 miles uphill in Colorado... then I hike back down... Then I do a bunch of pull ups and push ups... Then I make dinner and read a book or The Book or watch some old movie or kick it with a friend... Then I type some stuff. Then I re-read it all and catch a typo... Then I find myself explaining all this over again in detail and becoming self-referential as a means of demonstrating that I could do this all day. Veganism = Energy. That's all you really need to know. Don't take my word for it. Try it yourself. Or don't. Whatever. No despair! Peace.
I'm curious. I have seen a few vegan bodybuilders on the tubes, but kinda shrugged it off.
From a biblical standpoint, there's decent argument that pre-flood we were at least vegetarian. Could you post a general breakdown of your macronutrient intake as well as walk us through maybe a three or four day food diary? I don't think I'd go strict vegan, but I'd like to reduce my dependence on animal products that I don't raise, collect, and slaughter for myself.
Also, you're totally being one of *those* vegans right now.
I take a multivitamin. To be blunt, I haven't looked to see if it's vegan or not, but I'm aware that you can get B12 from algae, which runs counter to the myth that you have to eat fish.
Breakfast: I drink a blender of smoothie every day. Ingredients are mixed, but nearly always include bananas and blueberries. I usually add about 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, and more often than not, about 2/3 a cup of oatmeal soaks in a cup of water at the bottom of the blender overnight so that the mix doesn't come out grainy in the morning. I also include the following when they're in my fridge: spinach, cooked beans, steamed and chilled bags of peas and carrots... but I stand by the blueberries and bananas.
This usually gets me by for the construction job. On the way home I'm usually craving salt after sweating alot, so I keep trail mix and kettle chips in my car. By the time I get back home I'm not hungry and I change clothes and hike or run. If I'm hiking, I'll grab a couple of pieces of fruit for the trail. An apple or two or a couple of clems or even a handful of carrots in a bag.
I'm more about grazing than big meals throughout the day. Dinner is the big meal.
Dinner options are actually pretty predictable:
1 - Chips and salsa. I crush these like you wouldn't believe, and usually snack on them while I eat. It's probably too much salt and fatty oils for most, but the high level of my activity requires these. In any case my appetite usually tells me when I've replenished what I need, at which point I'm usually finished my dinner anyhow.
Dinner 1 - Potatoes and fake sausage. Usually about 2 russets and 4 links. The Field Roast stuff is, again, delicious. If you fry it in coconut oil it tastes closer to sausage.
(I think it'd be better to call it "stuffing" than "sausage"... because I agree with Mitch Hedberg's opinion about Turkey applied to vegan food: "What the fuck is 'turkey-bacon?' Be Your Self!" I'm like, "What the fuck is "vegan sausage"... whatever. It's not sausage, but once you kill off the gut biome (sp), it hits the spot close enough I'm not missing sausage. The Field Roast chorizo is the best chorizo I've ever had, but it's not chorizo. Even if I was an omnivore, I'd buy that for the taste. It rules with Veganaise (vegan mayo... which, btw, tastes better).
I also eat the following for sweets: Oreo Cookies (yup, nobody is perfect, but their unpronounceable ingredients are all vegan).. and obvious stuff like strawberries, raspberries, dark cherries (there is a ton of energy in cherries and berries in general)... my favorite fruit is champagne mangoes. I try to fit 2-3 more bananas in in addition to the 2-3 that go in my a.m. breakfast smoothie. Insert obvious gay joke here.
Dinner 2: Big Thick Salad aka "John-feed"... I take a big fuckin' bowl, I dump one of the plastic things of baby spinach in it. One of the half sized ones. Or half the big. I chop it up to bits with scissors. I add the following:
-1 lime of lime juice, or 1.5. Keeps it fresh a few days and tastes good.
- About 1/2 a cup of olive oil.
- About a cup of sunflower seeds... or walnuts... or pecans... or slivered almonds...
- Some salt and pepper
- A fuckload of dill (fuckload is a cooking term now)
- Something sweetish like pitted dried cherries or sliced up mango or strawberries.
- Splash of garlic powder
- 1 Chopped avocado
The bowl is a bit larger than my head. I stir it all up with a rubber spatula and cover a standard dinner plate with it and eat. I put the rest in tupperware and usually get 2 more full plates out of it, which saves time and keeps fresh, like I said, about 3 days.
I also never drink, if that matters. I figure I'll have like 1 bottle of root beer or some kitchy soda every 3 weeks, but it usually just makes me crash and need like 2 more hours of sleep so, I don't really touch sweets at all anymore, but can eat fruit all day without crashing, which I find puzzling because fruit is sugary as hell.
That's about it. I type fast and read faster so sorry if this was wrong. I know Seventh Jim only wanted a 3 day diary, and I just detailed my entire diet. Hope it helps.
Food for thought: If you try the diet and fall in love with the results like I did, might be a whole lot of time frees up for you on the homestead as it takes much less work to grow food than it does animals, and while I still see little value in the cruelty-argument about veganism, killing things isn't exactly fun or necessary, but do you, playa. Whatever. If eating animal products gave me the energy and apparent health of a vegan diet, I'd eat em... but they don't.
Lastly (please forgive the platform I know it's gay but watch it yourself if you want to know) Netflix has a documentary called The Game Changers. It pushes veganism by showing you that there are plenty of not-pussies who are vegan, including: The guy who beat up Conor McGregor, the guy who ran the Appalachian trail in 46 days (I think it was like 2.4 marathons per day) ... and none other than the strongest man in the world.
It also shows you that your dick gets harder and longer when you eat vegan while you're sleeping, and that the turgidity and frequency of the erections increases an average of I think 300%. I noticed this too. I keep waking up with holes in my sheets and peeing on my bathroom ceiling like, "How am I horny like a teenager and pushing forty what the fuck?!"
Probably the most memorable part of the documentary was when this behemoth said, "People are always telling me: 'We don't get it. You're strong as an Ox but you don't eat any meat.' And I always reply to them: 'When was the last time you saw an Ox eat meat?"
As to the question about Macronutrients and micro: I don't really know what that means. I take a multi vitamin and every other day, a vitamin C pill.
On another note...
Please let me know of any bears in Hot Springs? I'm out here trying to find some land with hookups or a fixer upper and start homesteading.
PS I recently went backpacking in the Rockies for the first time as a vegan. I hiked 4 miles up and 2 miles in with a 45 lb pack, taking only 2 breaks to fill my water supply. It was colder than I'd planned for that night and I broke out the emergency blanket, slept fine thereafter, and decide to hike out and go find a warmer bag the very next morning. On the way back I only took 1 breather. That's 12 miles in under 24 hours and I barely broke a sweat doing it. I weigh 150-155 lbs. I'm not saying I wasn't tired afterwards, I'm saying that I felt better doing it than I did when I was 20 years younger and an omnivore. It felt like a chill nature walk and I kept forgetting I had the pack on. In other words, like I said before: The hardest part about being a vegan is shutting the fuck up about it.